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well welcome back to another fantastic

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episode of uap studies uh i'm jason

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gilmet louis borges is on vacation this

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week but he'll be with us on the next

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episode today we have paola harris who's

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joining us uh we're going to talk about

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her incredible career her work that

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she's currently working on uh i totally

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ripped off the intro from the gaia

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website for uh because i thought it was

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well written i thought why not just say

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it so paula harris is an italian

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american photojournalist and

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investigative reporter in the field of

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extraterrestrial related phenomenon

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research she is widely published

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freelancer writer who has studied this

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phenomenon since 1979 and is on a

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personal terms with many of the leading

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researchers in the field paola is the

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author of six books and producer of the

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annual star works usa conference so

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paola i'd like to uh welcome you to uip

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studies again it's fantastic to have you

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on well it's fantastic to be here and

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and it's so exciting uh you know you

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were just telling me that you're

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enjoying the summer well i'm enjoying

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the summer but i'm always working this

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is this is uh like a passion for me this

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is what got me started and

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uh so

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you know it's really really nice to

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speak to you and your audience and also

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my mother was born in canada like i told

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you my mom was born in stratford ontario

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so nice i've got canadian roots sort of

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my first school was in stratford ontario

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the canadian connection i love it

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yeah we looking at the stats for the

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podcast a lot of our listeners are from

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america at least um like 54 percent uh

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we have a few from canada but i'm trying

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to encourage more canadians to get onto

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the subject because uh you know i'm

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trying to keep up with the statsman

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states obviously there's more people in

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the united states and canada i

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understand that so the stats would be a

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little bit higher but uh yeah trying to

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get canadians motivated on the subject

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here

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uh today

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i want to talk to you um basically learn

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a little bit more about you um you know

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your roots in ufology how you got

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started in it uh wondering it you know i

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normally ask people have you had an

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experience when you were a kid you know

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what really started this because it is

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an obsession at some point uh to

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continue you know

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especially through the years that you've

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done this these investigations there was

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a lot of stigma a lot of ridicule that

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came along with that so how did you get

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started in all of this

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well first of all i have a master's in

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education so i'm a teacher i've been

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teaching high school english for 40

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and i didn't i choose this i didn't have

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an experience what happened was i i

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watched the movie close encounters of

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the third kind in

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1979 and i was teaching a class in

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science fiction and when i watched it it

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gave me an emotional reaction now i

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never believed that i would ever work

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with jay allen heineck for six years and

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at the last five years of my career now

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work with jacques villain and

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that is all pre-programmed something

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from somewhere

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but i went to to a wedding in evanston

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illinois after i saw the film i had an

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emotional reaction to it i wasn't

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interested in ufos necessarily but when

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i walked into the center for ufo studies

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in evanston illinois um

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alan heineck happened to be there came

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from around the corner with his pipe his

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famous pipe and he said to me i hear you

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speak italian and i am italian my father

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was the italian council for the state of

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rhode island i was born in italy and

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i've lived in italy and and i said he's

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i said yeah i speak italian i'm italian

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he said well will you work with me and

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six years of my life i've worked i

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worked with dr jalen heineck became a

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member alike of his family with mimi his

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wife today i i consider paul heineck my

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son i knew the kids and what uh what

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happened is when you're working with an

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astronomer especially astronomer that i

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it's not a matter of belief we're not

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dealing with beliefs so do you believe

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in ufos is stupid

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it's data you have to look at the data

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uh the data that comes in of course

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hynek worked with blue book

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so he's got blue book data plus he

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changed his mind about

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uh ufos when he did the lonnie zamora

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case that's in our book trinity people

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should read the new revised version

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because it talks about the case in

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socorro with lonnie zamora the trooper

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besides the 1945 case and i didn't know

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that until i met jacques villa years

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later when i was working on the 1945

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case i had been working on it for uh

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for a number of years for five years and

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then jog knew there was metal connected

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so he with it because the little boy

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went inside the craft and pulled off

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a handle or something from the wall

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so what happened was that

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i began with heinek who's an astronomer

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it's real

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and and the scientific process is very

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much there which i think is important

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you mentioned jaylen heineck sort of

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showed you the ropes

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on the scientific process i think i've

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heard that through another podcast but

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what was it that he taught you like what

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what's the lesson that you can pass on

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that he taught you i like that question

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thanks for asking that you tell me to

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listen and not make judgments right you

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know and i've met too many of my

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colleagues who make a judgment before

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they even look at the case or to make a

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judgment when you open your mouth

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and you can't do that he taught me to

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listen because i wasn't a very good

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listener

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and so when i would go with him and the

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contact he started to tell their stories

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i used to nudge him and say they're

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crazy they're crazy why are you

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listening to these people

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you say paula you have to hear

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everything everybody's saying because

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that's the only way you can connect the

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dots

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and so what did he teach me he taught me

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to be a good listener so over the years

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and i've been working at this for 40

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years all over the world in italy

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in in south america now i've learned to

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listen and to connect dots

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so i think in my old age and i'm 77

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i think in my old age i can really say

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that i have

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connected some dots and

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seen the whole entire picture and not

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just the media circus

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which i consider a media circus that we

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have here in the in the united states i

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mean there's so much more out there

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than people can ever imagine

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with sightings with contact with a lot

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of stuff and have i grown up a lot yeah

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because when i was working with heineck

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i didn't even care what was inside the

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craft

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and and even with the uap that we're

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changing the name it's still ufo but i

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mean the uap stuff they're interested

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only in the craft they're not interested

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in what's inside the craft and it took

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me a long time to even go there because

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mentally i couldn't go there

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so what was it that that stopped you

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from going there like thinking about the

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entities on the craft like

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it changes my whole reality i mean

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i thought i knew what was real i knew i

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thought i knew what was capable what we

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were capable of i thought i knew what

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world we were living in and you and i

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were just talking about time travel a

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few minutes ago

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and you go wrap your mind around that

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you know it's it's

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for me

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a shattering of my reality and the only

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way i can describe it

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is i was very close to john mack very

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close to him i had him come to my house

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and i was his interpreter for him i

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brought him to florence to speak

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and he said to me

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uh after many many years he said you

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know we have to accommodate our

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worldview to accommodate this phenomenon

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which means you have to change the way

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you think okay whether you like it or

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not you can't fit it into a religious

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box can't fit it into a you know

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reptilian uh

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nordic a gray box because it's so much

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more i mean look at james fox's film

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that's coming out on virginia this year

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where are you gonna fit that in so the

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thing is that he told me to accommodate

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my world view and it's not easy just

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trust me it's not easy so it took me a

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long long long time

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right and now you've come to that you

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know because with your investigations

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that you've done not only that you're

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connected to everybody like i've seen

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you interview uh ross colthard just for

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instance uh paul hellyer uh which you

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know he passed away recently um clifford

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stone james fox paul heineck and joe

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heineck uh you've done expeditions uh

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you're pretty much the female indiana

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jones of uap

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research right uh

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yes and i ended up in the hospital in

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the andes in

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i've been peru i've been to the atacama

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desert with ricardo gonzalez twice but

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that's where the et's are i mean that's

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where the craft is you want to go where

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the craft lands you want to go with

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rafters you have to go and camp out in

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the desert for four days you know i i've

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been to bogota colombia i've been to

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argentina i've been northern italy i did

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the whole um friendship case uh you name

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it i did it i went to see billy meyer

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and it is real in switzerland

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uh yeah you know i i did it all and the

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reason why i did it is not for money

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it's cost me a mint that's why my

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colleagues don't do field research

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because it's so expensive right now it

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cost me all the money i i that that i

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taught that i used for teaching

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that i was paid for teaching school

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that's where it came from but the thing

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is this that i that that

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i can't make a judgment on anything that

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if unless i went and researched it so i

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won't do opinion off the top of my head

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if you ask me about the billy meyer

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cases because i went there and spent

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three days there and dealt with that

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whole situation or you ask me about

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south america it's because i went there

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and if you ask me about you know the

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yummy cheese case by the way i also did

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the chilean amici friendship case

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because i interviewed

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the people in chile that were talking to

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the et's down there and uh you know and

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and

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i i i need to know it's the reason why i

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did it is because i need to know right

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and so all my books

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uh all my books are only interviews

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they're not my what i think or you know

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what conclusions i've come to

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because my belief system is if you study

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this like an academic subject and not on

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internet right i had if i had students

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today and they gave me internet stuff on

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their research papers i give them an f

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you know if you're doing a research

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paper on einstein you better read his

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stuff right or on clifford stone you

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better read his book eyes only are on

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paul hellyer and who was a very good

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friend of mine by the way very very

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close and clifford who passed on also

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but you know the thing is that what i

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came to conclusion of is hanging around

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with these people hanging around with a

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clifford stone hanging around uh you

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know with a dan burris or a um i'm

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trying to think of other people al bilik

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the philadelphia experiment i did all of

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that right and i wha why i have to do

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that and if this is logical what i'm

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telling people is i can tell whether

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somebody's lying to me or not

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because

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even though they're telling me

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outrageous things the dan burris case i

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had to go back and see him three times

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before i decided to do it

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because in the first two times i just

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it just

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it was so outrageous i i couldn't wrap

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my head around it but then i have to let

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go of

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preconceived notions

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for the truth to come out because

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you know this is too bizarre all of it's

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too weird you know it yeah

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well i often

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you know have mentioned that it could be

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extra

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mentioned before

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or it could be all of the above that's

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the scary bit

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right it could be all of the above and

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that's a scarier situation to be in

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because you really have there's nothing

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that we can do about it right oh well

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there's nothing you can ever do but i

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know what people are thinking i don't

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know even the people that are talking

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about government stuff what are they

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thinking they can't

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they never did they never could do

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anything about it they can't do anything

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about it yeah it is because and and the

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reason why i think is apart from the

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fact that nobody gets together and talks

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about it it's all compartmentalized is

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that nobody studies studies it like you

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would study an academic subject in other

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words nobody reads the books they go on

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internet and get their truth which is

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ridiculous right uh they if they would

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go to the beginning

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uh and read you know john keel read all

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heinrich's books jacqueline's diaries

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have everything in them uh and i've had

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a lot of conversations with jack he has

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a little bit of a different perspective

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in that he thinks that it has to do with

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our consciousness that whatever is out

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there is trying to get us to pay

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attention right so that we grow up so

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that we grow up and i agree with that i

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i do because of the weirdness attached

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to it um

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it's not just people coming from other

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countries and i mean other planets and

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you know

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hybrid babies and all this other stuff

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in the mythology it's not that simple

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right

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these visitations have started since the

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beginning of time

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and you people should be watching the

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ancient aliens and stuff because if you

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can look at

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the attempts

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to raise the consciousness of this

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planet

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we get an f man we're back in the cold

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war right now

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so we talk in individual consciousness

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are we talking about a social

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consciousness like more of a global

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consciousness

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like what what are we do you think to

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deal with a species consciousness i

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believe that whatever is coming here has

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a

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uh collective consciousness in other

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words they do what's good for everybody

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right

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uh we're an experiment in free will so

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we do what's good for number one right

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and that means kill each other you know

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all the stuff we do to our kids i mean

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everything that we do to the planet

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and i think that we're an experiment and

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i think that what happens is that

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whoever whatever is coming here is

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trying to see if we're going to make it

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or not so their attempt to

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to

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whatever is hey there's more out there

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than you think in your reality

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not that you go and make a whole bunch

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of money off it and you know you just

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you know becomes about you and

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everything they're saying no

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species human species

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either you wake up or this planet is

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toast

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right and and and we've told you all the

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messages from the contactees all of them

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in latin america are ecological

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all of them in 1945 the message was

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atomic

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and i and in arcade in in trinity which

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i hope people read the revised version

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remy who's six years old is getting a

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vision when he's looking at the beings

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when they go up to the craft because the

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the beings they see them sliding back

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and forth

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he gets a vision of 911 if people

430
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falling out of skyscrapers at six years

431
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old well

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first of all he never saw a skyscraper

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on his whole entire life so this vision

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was like crazy and there was no

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magazines and kenneth arnold hadn't

436
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talked about ufos yet so this poor

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little six-year-old is seeing

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people falling out of a skyscraper

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and so somewhere

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somebody is trying to

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give us messages and

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for the people that are able to perceive

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them and

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and and talk about them in some form of

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sanity

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uh we can get some information but

447
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you know i've been very disillusioned

448
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our our field is crazy yeah you know i i

449
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i can't uh i can't even have a

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conversation that makes any sense mostly

451
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because nobody read anything and nobody

452
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goes back to the 40s and 50s

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and it's important to go back to the 40s

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and 50s because who was visiting here

455
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were people they were space people they

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were not little grey aliens there are no

457
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little grey alien visitors in latin

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america you want to explain that to me

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really

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no i never hear about i hear that

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hermanos tell us

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the brothers of the stars or star

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brothers or whatever you call them um i

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mean the whole sister paz movement of

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the 1970s and the mission rama guys they

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saw these people come up to them and

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they weren't one there's like 200 of

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them there in the chilka desert and and

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and seastone is brother uh charlie and

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luis fernando and bolivia and ricardo

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gonzalez and peru are having

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face-to-face contact with these people

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and they're not bringing little grace to

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take any anyway that doesn't even make

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sense to me i mean you need 40 years of

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genetic material they're really stupid

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then i mean because we can get it off a

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glass

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so you know i'm thinking okay

480
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what's happening is we may have cousins

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in the cosmos

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who are a little bit farther on than we

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are and we're all the same we're all the

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same

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uh and they're going well you people are

486
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stayed back in kindergarten no

487
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kindergarten or first grade do you do

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you want to graduate because if you

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congratulate to the next level we can

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not only communicate with you

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but we can bring you into a form of your

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technology like clifford stone used to

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say to me i used to say clifford why why

494
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can't we have contact and clifford god

495
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bless his soul used to say well he say

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we can't because our technology doesn't

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match our spirituality

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and i'd say clifford you're you're a

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military man and you're saying this

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and he said

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that's the bottom line right and and i

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go

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okay uh

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i mean that makes sense but and i'm not

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talking about religion i'm talking about

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spirituality

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which

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is a collective consciousness i mean you

509
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don't want to hurt anybody

510
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you don't want to do to your brother

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what you don't want to do to you which

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is a collective consciousness

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uh and

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and we don't have that i mean

515
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we maybe some groups have that but for

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the majority we have a lot to learn

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you know even i used to be part of the

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church um i was uh you know the person

519
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that was on stage singing the songs and

520
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stuff i've since not

521
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gone back to church i've i've gone back

522
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on my ways if you will um but the

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problem is is or now the problem of what

524
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i experience is that when you get into

525
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this emotional state with everybody in

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the church you were one you were like

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one consciousness and i you know the

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sense of i got you know even people

529
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doing drugs you know like a psychedelics

530
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they say the eye disappears and you

531
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start seeing things differently and i'm

532
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not saying do drugs kids but

533
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you know i'm just

534
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i'm just saying

535
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um you know there's different ways of

536
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looking at things and it's about

537
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changing the mindset and and getting rid

538
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of the eye like even the buddhists and

539
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stuff like that they don't focus on the

540
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eye they focus on others and they seem

541
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so much more happier than i am right

542
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well you know it's it's not just can i

543
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just tell you i want to encourage your

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your people to read

545
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and read the book from outer space to

546
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you by howard menger it was written in

547
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the 1960s and he was one of the giant

548
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rock bro group you know van tassel

549
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adamski or feo angelucci i studied this

550
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very very deeply because i couldn't

551
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understand why in southern california we

552
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:07,200
had this resurgence of contact with the

553
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:10,720
space brothers because there was a human

554
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:13,039
type guy that came to see van tassel

555
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:14,640
right and tussle worked for douglas

556
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:17,360
aircraft and what's his name uh you know

557
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:19,520
howard hughes finance the integratron

558
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:21,679
would people start studying this stuff

559
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:23,520
and the reason why i think there was a

560
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:26,080
space brother movement because adamski

561
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:28,880
really did see orathon and he really did

562
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:31,120
see him at and now we have a book with

563
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:33,520
with a brownie photograph of orathon

564
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:35,520
that that that they've done out of

565
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:37,679
netherland you know michael zerger's

566
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:40,720
work michelle zerger's work look at my

567
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:42,880
youtube when he talks about that all

568
00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:44,880
people outside the country that do real

569
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:47,120
research you know michelle zerger lives

570
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:48,640
in tokyo and he did all the work on

571
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:51,600
adamski and the truth is that what was

572
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:53,919
happening at that time in the 50s and

573
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:56,240
60s was the new age movement because

574
00:22:03,270 --> 00:21:59,600
they had mara rishi they had yogananda

575
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:03,280
they had est they had um they had l ron

576
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:06,080
hubbard they had all of this stuff going

577
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:09,200
on in southern california so whatever e

578
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:10,320
teaser

579
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:14,000
in the ether you know that group that

580
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,200
and there's

581
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:17,520
57 different groups says

582
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,720
um says clifford that particular group

583
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:22,240
decided they were going to hook onto the

584
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,280
new age movement even norman paulson was

585
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:27,120
was part of the giant rock stuff that

586
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:28,320
was happening

587
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:31,280
in uh in landers in uh you know palm

588
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:33,440
springs people need to go back there and

589
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:35,760
see what the heck was the message

590
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:37,919
because it was very interesting because

591
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:40,240
you talked about buddhism it went with

592
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:43,840
eastern religion it was the same

593
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:46,080
theories as eastern religions as

594
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:48,320
buddhism is that kind of thing

595
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:49,520
and so

596
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:52,240
um and that was compassion

597
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:54,880
and and uh you know being one and

598
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:57,200
looking at yourself as part of nature

599
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:59,760
and so forth and because they're not on

600
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:01,360
vacation otherwise they would have gone

601
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:02,799
to the caribbean and had a couple of

602
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:04,640
beers okay come on

603
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:07,360
anything where we have

604
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:10,640
a a movement a flap a bunch of

605
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:12,880
contactees and they were not only there

606
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:15,120
they were in italy with our eugenio

607
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:18,480
sidakuza uh he's he met venusians too on

608
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:22,799
the island of sicily all in the 1950s

609
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:25,679
so the new age movement was jumping into

610
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:29,600
con into effect and i think what what

611
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:31,760
happened with whoever was visiting was

612
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,840
they're going well the humans are going

613
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:35,280
to go into the new age movement we might

614
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:37,840
as well jump in there and and you know

615
00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:41,279
give them some advice too and i think

616
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:44,240
that's when the giant rock group

617
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:46,320
and i want to do more work on this and

618
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:48,240
more research i just went to back to

619
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,200
howard menger's house and stood on the

620
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:53,120
place where val thor was sitting and i

621
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:55,520
did that with a group of people

622
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,720
researchers that are into this like me

623
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:00,960
we did it in june

624
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:03,120
right there where val thor was sitting

625
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:05,279
at howard manager's house all the

626
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:07,600
pictures of al thor and don and jill

627
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:09,760
because the photographer that took those

628
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,320
pictures was talking to wendell stevens

629
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:14,240
that he was told by manager that three

630
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:16,480
visitors were there so i thought okay

631
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:19,360
that's the cold war days where russia

632
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:21,600
was the enemy

633
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:27,190
how are we ever going to be friends with

634
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:31,269
it's

635
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:34,159
and you're kind of you know indicating

636
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,760
not indicating but saying you know it's

637
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:37,520
about us getting our stuff together

638
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:40,320
right um and just stop blowing each

639
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:41,840
other up and

640
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:43,600
every missile that we have is all

641
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:45,520
pointed back at us which is weird

642
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:47,279
there's nothing pointing out it's all

643
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,120
pointing back at us

644
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,080
uh for self-defense allegedly um you

645
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:54,000
know somebody attacks the united states

646
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:55,520
they got missiles that they're able to

647
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:57,760
send it's just crazy

648
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:00,320
but the message is clear and what i find

649
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:03,120
weird is that they always talk to um

650
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:04,880
somebody who's not political somebody

651
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,640
who's just a nobody and they'll give

652
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:08,400
them a message do you think there's a

653
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:10,400
reason why they talk to

654
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:12,000
everybody like that to give them a

655
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,559
message is that it leaks through to the

656
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:16,799
public or is that just they just assume

657
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:19,120
that we'll all share the information

658
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,200
well first of all let's let's get this

659
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:23,520
straight we're in a chess game and the

660
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:25,919
only way to win this is is always

661
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:28,799
checkmate right ever and that's why our

662
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,320
book is so important i keep mentioning

663
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:32,159
this because the whole thing started

664
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:34,240
with the atomic bomb i mean the first

665
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:36,400
crash was not at roswell it was one

666
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:38,720
month after the atomic bomb in san

667
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:42,080
antonio new mexico witnessed by uh at

668
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,039
least three people and with five now

669
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:47,840
that we we've gotten them all and and

670
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:50,400
that was not a vacation stunt that was

671
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,159
what you what were you thinking because

672
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:54,880
once you open up pandora's box like that

673
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,480
it not only affects

674
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:59,120
other dimensions right better play we

675
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:01,520
got to play the game all of us china has

676
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:03,919
to play it russia has to play we have to

677
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:05,919
play a chess game there's no way of

678
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,640
winning that right you have to just do

679
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:10,559
checkmate every time with your with your

680
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:11,679
pieces

681
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:13,279
so for the rest of our lives we're going

682
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:14,640
to have to checkmate nobody's going to

683
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:16,799
get rid of their nuclear everybody's

684
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:18,880
going to point it at each other

685
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:21,120
and so you're dealing with the upper

686
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:23,120
level of a very

687
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:25,279
um

688
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:27,360
you know very

689
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:29,840
strategic thinking so why are they going

690
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:31,600
to speak go to speak to people and

691
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:32,880
making bombs

692
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,720
why are they going to speak to political

693
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,960
people who really are doing what's good

694
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:38,640
for them why

695
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:41,200
they're going to go to grassroots

696
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,720
and that's why i admire the work of

697
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,400
stephen greer i'm sorry but he's the

698
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:46,720
only one that has it together as far as

699
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,640
why it happened when it happened and

700
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:50,640
who's involved because

701
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,240
being in europe and living in other

702
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:54,960
countries and i lived in italy from 1992

703
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:57,360
to 2007

704
00:27:02,070 --> 00:26:59,520
i know he's telling the truth about all

705
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:02,080
of it like all of that stuff

706
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:03,520
and uh the

707
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:06,559
the the deal is that i don't mean to be

708
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,799
depressed depressing but

709
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:10,720
we can change it

710
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,080
by thinking differently by by changing

711
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:16,480
the way we like john max said changing

712
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:19,520
our world view and that starts in every

713
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:22,480
which ways change your mind about all

714
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:23,919
kinds of stuff

715
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:24,880
and then

716
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:26,559
i mean i talked to edgar mitchell and

717
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:28,240
this is really interesting i have to

718
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:29,600
tell you that he was a good friend of

719
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:32,000
mine and i was invited to his funeral it

720
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:33,760
was one of the saddest things ever but

721
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:36,000
he said to me paula he said

722
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:38,559
i used to do esp experiments from the

723
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:40,799
moon and they were 95

724
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:42,880
accurate and i said you used to think

725
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:45,520
things and they used to come to florida

726
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:47,440
from the moon and you used to do

727
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,960
experiments like they used to use the

728
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:50,159
cards and stuff

729
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:53,840
and he goes yes and i got then our

730
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:57,120
thoughts are powerful and he goes yes

731
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:59,360
and i said we can change things with our

732
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:02,000
thoughts and nice and he said yes and

733
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:04,880
this is why the engineer like dr edgar

734
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:06,720
mitchell would come back from the moon

735
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:08,559
and start uh

736
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,640
noetic sciences because he was more

737
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:12,720
interested in esp

738
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:13,840
and and

739
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:16,399
and the in the power of the mind and

740
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:19,600
thoughts and all of this stuff so is

741
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,480
this connected with ufology if you have

742
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:24,960
any kind of brain yes

743
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,480
it's all connected with all of it

744
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:30,480
it's consciousness

745
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:32,960
and and and it's hard for people

746
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,520
to understand this but the et's don't

747
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:37,360
take you as coffee and say hey guess

748
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:39,279
this is how we think and you know this

749
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:41,840
is what we believe what they do

750
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:44,320
which i just found out about in the last

751
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:46,399
couple of years is give you a series of

752
00:28:49,470 --> 00:28:48,559
coincidences

753
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:49,480
and

754
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,399
experiences whether it be a sighting or

755
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:54,720
a vision or a dream

756
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:57,520
to help you understand

757
00:29:01,669 --> 00:29:00,640
there is another reality

758
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:01,679
right

759
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,279
because we're only limited by our five

760
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,600
senses anyways when we

761
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:07,679
and our families and all the

762
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:11,279
distractions we have yes yeah no that's

763
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:14,240
and again the the focus on um you know

764
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:15,679
this research because you said something

765
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,640
to me

766
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,720
uh last time that we spoke and you said

767
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,960
you know jason keep all these

768
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,799
recordings especially with jacques and

769
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:25,120
all these uh folks he said because and

770
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:27,440
i'm paraphrasing here but uh some to the

771
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,200
effect that you know the you know we're

772
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:31,360
losing a lot of these pioneers they're

773
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:33,919
they're passing on and this is you know

774
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:35,679
even you were mentioning imagine if we

775
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:38,399
could have the technology of podcast now

776
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:41,039
to talk to jay allen heineck

777
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,640
and how much wisdom he could have passed

778
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:44,880
on to the other investigators and and

779
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,720
researchers in the field

780
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,960
uh and and that really resonated with me

781
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:50,640
i was like okay she's right like i got

782
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:51,919
to keep all these recordings because

783
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:54,320
before i was doing just audio you know

784
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:56,320
we're doing video as well which is is

785
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:58,159
really important because i i do want to

786
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:00,480
capture that right that's very important

787
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,520
um yes so about the book trinity um just

788
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:05,520
for the people that are not familiar

789
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,039
with this story i'm just going to give a

790
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:09,360
brief and correct me when i'm wrong here

791
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:10,559
because i'm probably going to be wrong a

792
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,440
little bit but it happened in 1945 right

793
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,000
um and uh basically these two little

794
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:18,240
boys which were in charge of working on

795
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:19,520
this uh

796
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:23,440
farm or ranch uh witnessed a crashed

797
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:25,679
craft that looked almost the same shape

798
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:28,559
as an avocado but it had a avocado

799
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:30,880
yeah and it had um a

800
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,799
sort of like a door that they explained

801
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:34,559
and you could see three entities or four

802
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:37,120
entities and they're moving about and

803
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:38,480
they were hurt at least it got the

804
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:40,399
indication that they were hurt because

805
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,840
of the way that they were reacting but

806
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:43,919
what was really weird is that um you're

807
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:45,679
mentioning remy had

808
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:48,880
visions of all these atomic things and

809
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:50,559
as far as i know they weren't aware of

810
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:52,240
the presence of these two little boys

811
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:53,279
right

812
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,159
no they were uh because well what

813
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:58,799
happened is the boys actually witnessed

814
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:00,799
the crash i mean this is this is why

815
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:04,080
this is so amazing uh it was on jose

816
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,000
padilla's farm i mean his father rented

817
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,480
from the blm 180 000 acres and they were

818
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,480
supposed to fix the fences and there was

819
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,880
a thunderstorm and you know remember

820
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:14,880
there's thunderstorms in roswell i've

821
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,640
never seen thunderstorms like in new

822
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:18,480
mexico there was a thunder it was very

823
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:21,279
bad right and this thing came in this

824
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:24,559
avocado hit the radio tower which then

825
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:27,039
jose climbs up to see the damage later

826
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:30,080
so he's not lying by the way jack and i

827
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:31,840
are really upset with our own

828
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,159
researchers who don't do

829
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:36,000
even read the book have not even read

830
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:38,799
the book but we have been to the where

831
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:41,279
the radio tower were as we've been to

832
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:44,799
the location but i've been about 20

833
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:47,279
times jacques has at least been there

834
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:50,159
eight times eight times so we walk on

835
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:52,640
the location and we because

836
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:54,559
there's new stuff that comes out every

837
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:56,960
time we go there and thing is the boys

838
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:57,919
saw

839
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:59,120
the crowd

840
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:00,799
yet they saw it it's not like it it's

841
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:03,279
been strewn over three miles

842
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:05,360
like in other crashes and you just see

843
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:07,120
the degree they watched it

844
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:10,080
and then because they're so curious

845
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:12,240
and especially jose who's very

846
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:13,519
mischievous or you wouldn't have gone

847
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:15,919
inside that thing uh

848
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:18,240
he's looking at through binoculars and

849
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:20,799
and here's squealing like and he

850
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:23,279
described as when you kill a rabbit

851
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,279
so okay

852
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:27,120
you can't make that up i mean when you

853
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,039
kill a rabbit it starts squealing and he

854
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,440
goes i wanted to go in and help them he

855
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:33,519
said they were children like us and of

856
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:36,480
course because there was a fire and all

857
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:38,559
the smoke in the mesquite if you go

858
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:39,679
there now

859
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:42,399
what used to be seven foot tall mesquite

860
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:45,279
uh bushes and trees are only two feet

861
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:48,159
tall that's not due to the crash that's

862
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,559
due to the fact that crash is 13 miles

863
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:52,480
from the trinity site

864
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,640
and they did not tell those people they

865
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:56,640
were going to explode the atomic bomb

866
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:57,919
they did not

867
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:01,360
the radius of radiation went out 150

868
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:03,840
miles so of course

869
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,480
remy's uh i mean uh jose's mother is

870
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,080
going to be blind when she opens the

871
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:10,559
door she's blinded in one eye and they

872
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:13,120
and jose's eardrum was blown out and

873
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,840
bleeding so i mean this story is not

874
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,519
just about

875
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:19,200
about crash

876
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:20,880
and it's not in competition with any

877
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:23,279
other crashes right we all sit down and

878
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:25,279
talk about this we put the things

879
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,240
together we put the dots together um

880
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:30,480
it's about they didn't tell them

881
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:32,720
that they were going to explode the bomb

882
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:35,760
so what happened was all of this damage

883
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,120
and then a month later this craft is

884
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:42,000
coming from that direction

885
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:44,080
again not on vacation

886
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:46,480
uh is coming from that direction and the

887
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:47,200
and

888
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,600
kids didn't talk about it for 60 years

889
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:53,760
because they both went their own ways

890
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:55,279
because the government would because

891
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:56,640
they took something they weren't

892
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:58,880
supposed to take from the inside you

893
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:00,880
know they're not going to talk about it

894
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:02,320
they had something

895
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:05,440
that didn't belong to them so

896
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,399
i said to sorrow right the treasure

897
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:10,480
they called because they spoke spanish i

898
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,919
mean it was it was

899
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,919
it's funny because the pilot that flew

900
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,760
overs thought they were indian boys they

901
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:17,280
were like oh you saw two little indian

902
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:18,720
boys on there no they weren't indian

903
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:19,599
boys

904
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,240
even though jose has it comes from an

905
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,399
apache grandmother background that's

906
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:26,639
what was on the first cover they were

907
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:29,599
hispanic so yeah they wanted they want

908
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,919
it's like when you go somewhere you take

909
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:33,280
a rock

910
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:35,280
you want a what do you call souvenir the

911
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:38,399
word desoto souvenir so naturally when

912
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,639
all the young boys are working on the

913
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:42,320
manhattan project they had never seen a

914
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:43,839
ufo they didn't even know what to

915
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:46,240
cleaning up went to the l barn cafe and

916
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:47,760
they didn't leave anybody there

917
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:50,639
naturally somebody like jose's gonna go

918
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:53,520
inside i need a i need a souvenir get

919
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:55,280
the crowbar and pull something from the

920
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:56,879
inside of the wall

921
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:59,440
and and uh you know

922
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:00,320
and

923
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:05,200
don't want to go into the analysis of it

924
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:08,240
or any of it but that isn't what proves

925
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:11,359
it for for me the witness testimony and

926
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:12,640
then i was going to tell you something

927
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:14,320
else jason that would have been a lost

928
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:15,599
case

929
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:19,280
unless the ets knew jacques and i were

930
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,400
gonna do it

931
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:22,800
and that really you wrapped your mind

932
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,520
around that right they knew we were

933
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,599
gonna do it they knew jacques was gonna

934
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:29,760
research the atomic bomb

935
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:32,160
they knew that this case went into the

936
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:34,240
files of dixie

937
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:35,040
um

938
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,240
dixie lee in washington state where the

939
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:40,240
atomic energy commissioners

940
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:42,880
showed it to remy when he when she he

941
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:44,960
got a she got elected

942
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:47,680
that the atomic energy

943
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,560
uh

944
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,480
classification is higher the president

945
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:53,040
can't even see it it's higher than

946
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:55,599
anything it's not and you can't declass

947
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,720
of it there's no foia for it

948
00:36:01,670 --> 00:36:00,800
yeah and so

949
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,680
those

950
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:03,680
guys or whoever was that was in the

951
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:05,599
craft or whatever it was

952
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:06,880
knew that

953
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:09,040
in the future

954
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:11,040
this was going to come out

955
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:12,400
as a warning

956
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:13,359
on

957
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:16,240
uh

958
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,880
as a warning and then jack is such a

959
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:20,880
good writer oh my god he writes this is

960
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,880
like a novel you can't put it down it's

961
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,720
a novel it's not a

962
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:26,400
and and he

963
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:27,839
he does something

964
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:30,000
really historic you know the japanese

965
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:32,320
just bought the rights to this

966
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:33,200
we

967
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:36,240
the japanese emperor already had

968
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:39,359
capitulated before we threw the bombs

969
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:42,800
the two bombs before we bombed nagasaki

970
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,480
you you want to wrap your mind around

971
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:45,839
that

972
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:48,960
we did it anyway and so you know

973
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:51,440
because jacques did meticulous work

974
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,000
meticulous see it says meticulous on

975
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,390
i can't do that i can't

976
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:00,640
work the only thing i can do

977
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:01,680
is

978
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,160
i had for five years question these guys

979
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:06,800
i've remy since had died i had gone up

980
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:09,359
to gig harbor i had been slept on his

981
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:10,480
couch i

982
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:13,359
meticulously on the phone i have all the

983
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:15,359
phone conversations taped

984
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:17,920
just questioned them to because

985
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:20,800
if they make one mistake or if i doubt

986
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:23,040
what they're saying i won't touch it

987
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:26,320
uh but this this story for me and for

988
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:27,839
jacques i think is one of the greatest

989
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,000
cases we've ever done

990
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,400
yeah i i really enjoyed the the book i'm

991
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:35,040
going to have to buy the revised edition

992
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:37,119
because i want to know more about uh

993
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:38,800
what you guys discovered

994
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:41,839
but yeah this story is amazing and like

995
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:44,240
i said it predates uh roswell by two

996
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:45,280
years

997
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:47,599
sort of within the same vicinity and

998
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:49,839
even close to socorro new mexico which

999
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:53,119
was i won't say 1963 or something like

1000
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,160
that right yeah yeah yeah but there was

1001
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,160
also aztec and there's the plains of

1002
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:00,400
saint augustine there were so you ask

1003
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:03,760
yourself you know why corona the book on

1004
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:06,960
corona i mean stanton did some work in

1005
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:10,240
our show why are they going to that area

1006
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:11,760
right why

1007
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:13,839
right okay now people go why do they

1008
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:16,880
crash well i think these guys crash so

1009
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,520
that they they could give us a warning

1010
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,000
i mean you the bodies were gone by the

1011
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:24,640
time the next 24 hours by the way

1012
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,200
sheriff apodaca and mr padilla went

1013
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:29,440
inside that craft were hanging out in

1014
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:32,800
there told the boys to stay out um what

1015
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:34,160
when the army

1016
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,079
put the brush over the craft you know

1017
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:38,160
and they're they didn't know it was they

1018
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:40,400
didn't know any of this stuff they just

1019
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:42,000
saw this thing

1020
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:44,400
that they had to get out of there right

1021
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:45,839
the and the

1022
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,920
because there was no mythology there was

1023
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,440
nothing there was nothing in the

1024
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,440
magazines there was nothing out there

1025
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:53,280
kenneth arnold hadn't even said flying

1026
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:55,599
saucer yet so

1027
00:38:59,829 --> 00:38:57,599
this is this is why this story is so

1028
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:59,839
important because it's a statement and

1029
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:01,839
then i've been wrapping my mind around

1030
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,920
it they knew we were going to write this

1031
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,920
otherwise it would have been dead

1032
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:07,680
right statement would have never been

1033
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:09,920
made they would have never

1034
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:11,680
they would have crashed for nothing in

1035
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:14,000
other words they would because the book

1036
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:15,760
is about the atomic bomb

1037
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:18,720
the book is about our atomic opening

1038
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:21,599
pandora's box with our atomic energy

1039
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:22,480
yeah

1040
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:25,359
even with the kids in um uh zimbabwe the

1041
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:27,599
aerial school i mean they got similar

1042
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:31,040
messages as well about nuclear war about

1043
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:33,200
us destroying the planet which of course

1044
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:35,359
then the extraterrestrial model sort of

1045
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:37,280
applies is that people from the future

1046
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:39,920
would know what the events would would

1047
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:42,320
you know take place what i'm fascinated

1048
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:44,720
by is the telepathy that these entities

1049
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:45,760
have

1050
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:47,920
is it technology is it something that we

1051
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:49,839
are going to be able to figure out later

1052
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:52,000
on in life with the advance of

1053
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,160
consciousness and all that jazz but i've

1054
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:56,400
always been fascinated by that what do

1055
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:57,920
you think about what's going on in

1056
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,480
congress right now with um this you know

1057
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:02,240
people can come forward now even if they

1058
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,079
signed an nda do you think we're going

1059
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:06,000
to get any progress

1060
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,680
well let me go back to the telepathy and

1061
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:09,119
then i'll answer that question sure

1062
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:11,119
absolutely if if somebody like edgar

1063
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:12,560
mitchell is doing telepathy from the

1064
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,800
moon you want to explain that to me

1065
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:16,880
right now and somebody and they're doing

1066
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:18,800
a tell up the experiments and jack was

1067
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,160
part of that at hsri with the regeller

1068
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:24,000
and and remote viewing you and explain

1069
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:26,560
that yes we can do telepathy but it's

1070
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:29,920
dangerous why because you can't lie

1071
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:33,040
okay it's direct thought transfer when

1072
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:35,839
those beings uh even in giant rock were

1073
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:38,000
talking to the to the contactees they

1074
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:39,760
were doing telepathy they didn't go to

1075
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:41,839
school to learn chinese

1076
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:44,400
italian uh english they didn't go to

1077
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,480
school to learn all those languages

1078
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,920
they're doing

1079
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:49,839
direct right

1080
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:52,480
transfer can we do it absolutely

1081
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:56,000
but we can't lie if we do it can we

1082
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:57,839
because it's also a transfer of emotion

1083
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:59,920
like people say that they get like

1084
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:02,000
feelings and stuff like that come with

1085
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:03,599
it that's fascinating because the only

1086
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:04,960
thing that i know that does that is

1087
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:07,760
music right the music is the only one is

1088
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:10,000
isn't is part of this

1089
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,400
you know if you really study this and

1090
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,240
nobody really does they don't study it

1091
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,480
like a university thing let me let me

1092
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,240
put we're trying on this podcast we're

1093
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:20,160
trying yeah what we have you guys on you

1094
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:22,800
see my drawers back there yeah

1095
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,560
those are all going to rice university

1096
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:26,880
i've sent them five boxes awesome

1097
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:29,520
archives all of jacques archives all of

1098
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,480
willie streaver's archives are at rice

1099
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:34,800
university in houston texas everything

1100
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:37,359
all the audio everything i ever did

1101
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,319
right so we're trying in that you know i

1102
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:42,480
hope our great grandchildren go to

1103
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:44,319
houston and start looking through

1104
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:47,760
everything right so it is done without

1105
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:49,520
you know the circus

1106
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:53,200
atmosphere um the the deal is that you

1107
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:55,119
asked me about um

1108
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:57,520
about the government they have no stake

1109
00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:59,920
in knowing they are that the people that

1110
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,920
are involved in top secret programs

1111
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:03,200
already know

1112
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:04,640
and why

1113
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:06,400
and and i don't

1114
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:09,200
wanna um let's put it this way

1115
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:12,319
i i'm a believer uh in the fact that

1116
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:15,040
there's an agenda behind everything

1117
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:18,960
and so far what i see if if this subject

1118
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:21,359
ended up in the military industrial

1119
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:24,720
complex and it did eisenhower told us it

1120
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:27,359
did right they're making tons of money

1121
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:29,680
off of these you know toys that they've

1122
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,000
recovered and all this technology we

1123
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:34,319
don't even know anything about this is

1124
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,839
where i think people should listen to

1125
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:37,040
what stephen says because he's telling

1126
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:40,160
the truth um stephen grier the the thing

1127
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:43,119
is they have no real reason to tell

1128
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:45,280
humanity the truth but they have a

1129
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,240
reason to tell you it's a threat

1130
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:50,319
and that we need money for

1131
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:52,720
appropriations for weapons against an

1132
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:54,160
enemy

1133
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,960
they can tell you that right i mean

1134
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:58,880
there's an agenda behind everything and

1135
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:01,760
agenda is not the truth i mean come on

1136
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,160
give me a break if if the agenda was the

1137
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:06,160
truth everything

1138
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:08,560
no that there's no truth agenda anywhere

1139
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:11,520
on either side on

1140
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,280
and so i'm very wary of anything

1141
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,000
now i will say that

1142
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:20,240
the good-heartedness of somebody like

1143
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,040
chris mellon and i know i met him

1144
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:25,680
and he really wants to know i mean it's

1145
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:29,359
a personal thing he wants to know and i

1146
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:32,000
i really admire the people that really

1147
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:33,760
want to know and that's my chief

1148
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:36,400
motivate motivation for there's no other

1149
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:37,520
believe me

1150
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:40,800
i have tried to do a laughlin conference

1151
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,240
uh with

1152
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:44,480
top-level people and st i stay away from

1153
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,200
the conspiracy stuff right uh and and

1154
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:49,839
i've done done this and i my last lost

1155
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:51,440
laughlin conference for the people out

1156
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:54,560
there not doing it anymore because they

1157
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:56,960
love conspiracy stuff and they love all

1158
00:44:02,230 --> 00:43:57,760
uh

1159
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,240
the negative stuff that we can't even

1160
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:04,720
prove because truly we don't know what's

1161
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,359
going on right last year i had

1162
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:09,839
conference the theme is theme based on

1163
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,880
artificial intelligence it was brilliant

1164
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:14,880
the conversation about the future of

1165
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:17,839
artificial intelligence had adam curry

1166
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,000
jacques villa paul heineck and paul

1167
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:22,400
smith on there and it was

1168
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:24,400
something like a university would have

1169
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:27,760
but it it it is not supported enough so

1170
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:30,160
this year is the last one i'm having

1171
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:33,760
it's 11 11 november 11th to 14th in

1172
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:36,079
laughlin nevada and it's all on the

1173
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,359
south american messages from the andes

1174
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:42,000
where i'm going to continue my work i'm

1175
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:43,520
going to continue my work in latin

1176
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:45,280
america that's where i'm getting the

1177
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,160
most satisfaction and most truth they

1178
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:50,880
don't have an agenda they don't care

1179
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:53,280
they're not going to shoot anybody

1180
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:55,920
they think it's normal they got aztecs

1181
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,640
and they got you know mayans and they

1182
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,720
think everybody is you know from the

1183
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:03,200
stars and there's no weirdness and

1184
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:05,680
they're not making money off uh you know

1185
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:08,640
technology so you asked me about

1186
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:11,119
my fear is that if we start listening to

1187
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:12,720
government whistleblowers we're going to

1188
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,599
have

1189
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:15,839
a threat-based

1190
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:17,839
scenario and

1191
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:19,440
they should have done it when we

1192
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:21,359
exploded the atomic bomb

1193
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,440
if they're going to do it

1194
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:25,040
i mean why didn't they do it back then

1195
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:27,440
it's like why would they do it now right

1196
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:29,440
oh are they coming here now what do we

1197
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,480
do

1198
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:33,040
they're going to come in thousands and

1199
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:35,119
just dismantle everything and drink our

1200
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:37,280
children's blood and all these are

1201
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:39,760
things i actually hear in the ufo are

1202
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:42,240
you serious really no i just heard it

1203
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:45,680
the other day they're here to from a

1204
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,560
very great researcher they're here to

1205
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,400
harvest our souls why would you want to

1206
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:52,880
harvest a human soul i was go go

1207
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:55,359
somebody go somewhere else and harvest

1208
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:58,319
like a buddhist soul or somebody that is

1209
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:00,880
really uplifting not somebody does

1210
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:04,640
pedophile robs people kill people

1211
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:06,800
like nothing makes sense here when i

1212
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:10,000
hear my own community that say things

1213
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,079
and a lot of them are being fed by the

1214
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,720
cia or the intelligence community and

1215
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:16,480
this craziness anything they would tell

1216
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:18,560
me i'd never repeat

1217
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:21,119
i mean there's an agenda behind

1218
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:22,960
everything and

1219
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:25,119
you know yes there is a secret space

1220
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:26,640
program it began

1221
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:29,520
and probably started with the nazis but

1222
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:32,640
if you spend mental time

1223
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,839
on this

1224
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:35,760
we can't change anything because we

1225
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:38,640
can't inspire anybody right might as

1226
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:42,160
well slitcherous and commit suicide

1227
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:44,400
and i'm thinking to myself no no no they

1228
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,119
want

1229
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:47,599
this is this is done by

1230
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:48,880
showing us

1231
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:51,599
that we're more than we really are

1232
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:53,839
we're we're more than we really are

1233
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:56,319
capable of apart from the esp and the

1234
00:47:02,069 --> 00:46:58,560
spirituality and everything

1235
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:02,079
can we all get together and and try to

1236
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:03,680
figure it out

1237
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:06,000
and just raise the consciousness even if

1238
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:07,839
a few people do it

1239
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,319
the other people will have to come along

1240
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:12,720
and do it and other planets will have to

1241
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,040
do it because we're all connected right

1242
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:17,760
like a galactic consciousness we're just

1243
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:20,079
at different locations but we're all

1244
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:23,040
consciousness is the same across maybe

1245
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,680
inter-species right uh even yeah yeah

1246
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,359
you were mentioning a lot about humans

1247
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:29,359
being on these crafts we've you know

1248
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:32,000
talked to uh people like calvin parker

1249
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:33,440
which he

1250
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:36,079
saw a female on the craft uh even travis

1251
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,160
walton saw human-looking people he said

1252
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,480
the eyes were a little bit different but

1253
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:42,480
there's always i'm starting to see that

1254
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,559
now a lot more of a pattern of like even

1255
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:46,800
having humans in the room with

1256
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:49,040
some people mention the grays or other

1257
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:50,559
looking entities but there's always

1258
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:51,760
humans

1259
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:52,480
well

1260
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:55,520
colonel corso was you know my greatest

1261
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,440
well he i was the only journalist that

1262
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,200
was close to him and he said they were

1263
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:01,440
clones he said they didn't worry about

1264
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:03,359
the you know the little grays because

1265
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:05,119
they had done autopsies on them they

1266
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:07,040
were worried about who had made them

1267
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:08,240
right he wouldn't need the graves

1268
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:09,920
because he said they would be walking in

1269
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:11,040
the halls of the pentagon and we

1270
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:13,119
wouldn't be able to tell

1271
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:14,960
that they weren't here from here so then

1272
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:16,880
you go back to the valve thor story that

1273
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:18,880
i'm doing right now that i'm looking at

1274
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:21,119
so yeah you know

1275
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,319
yes uh it's all connected it's

1276
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:26,640
you said it very well it's all of the

1277
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:27,520
above

1278
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:28,880
but we

1279
00:48:33,630 --> 00:48:31,520
have gone off the

1280
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:33,640
you know the rails with our

1281
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:36,880
interpretation of this field and you

1282
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,599
can't go to a ufo conference now without

1283
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:41,599
posing with a little grey alien and i'm

1284
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,280
thinking to myself you know they tried

1285
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:45,359
to make me do that and i said well no

1286
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:47,839
avi leave and and those harvard

1287
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:49,520
scientists that are really doing this

1288
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,119
they wouldn't even walk into a room if

1289
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:53,280
they saw that

1290
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:55,920
well i mean why yeah it looks like a

1291
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:58,319
circus in italy in europe we didn't do

1292
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:00,720
that yeah we didn't have gadgets we

1293
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:03,280
didn't sell t-shirts we didn't have you

1294
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:05,359
know statues we didn't have blow up

1295
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:07,359
aliens we didn't

1296
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:11,040
it it's so much more it's so much more

1297
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:13,359
serious than that

1298
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:16,640
yes but it becomes that

1299
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:19,760
then it's entertainment

1300
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:22,400
and it is not entertainment anymore not

1301
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:24,559
in my mind it's survival

1302
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,000
right

1303
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:28,400
no well said paul said what's this new

1304
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:30,079
research before i let you go here what's

1305
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:31,440
this new research that you've been

1306
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:34,960
working on well uh in night in 2014 i

1307
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:37,599
took the last surviving people that were

1308
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,520
part of the giant rock

1309
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:41,359
you know a group

1310
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:45,760
in in uh in the 1950s 1952 there were a

1311
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,920
group of people besides van tassel there

1312
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,359
was uh

1313
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,520
adamski and all those guys that had real

1314
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,280
face-to-face research with what they

1315
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,760
call the space brothers and i met robert

1316
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:57,599
short in cornwall in arizona and he told

1317
00:50:02,390 --> 00:49:59,839
me yeah the guy came up to my car he

1318
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:02,400
said i was driving down from from

1319
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,599
northern california to palm springs area

1320
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:07,280
and so forth and he said he came up to

1321
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:10,240
my car and he said not only did this guy

1322
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:13,359
come up to my car he said this guy

1323
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:16,400
we could talk to them on crystal radio i

1324
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:19,119
see you're you're kidding and he goes no

1325
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:20,640
he said there was a frequency where you

1326
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:22,160
could talk to the space brothers on

1327
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:25,520
crystal radio until the fbi came along

1328
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,680
and said you can't do that those are

1329
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:29,520
enemies and we're gonna shut down that

1330
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:32,960
uh frequency and so forth so the beings

1331
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:36,160
asked that van tassel and robert short

1332
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:38,559
let go of their vocal cords it was not

1333
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:39,680
channeling

1334
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,240
uh it was letting go of the vocal cords

1335
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:44,400
so their voice came through

1336
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:48,079
and they did that kind of of messaging

1337
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:49,280
because they couldn't go back on the

1338
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:51,440
crystal radio now if you do extensive

1339
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:53,200
research like i do you realize in the

1340
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:55,839
yummy jeez the case in italy in pescada

1341
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,480
the beings and i have the audio of that

1342
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:00,559
i have the audio was left to me by

1343
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:03,920
stefano brescia talk to the italians on

1344
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:06,160
crystal radio

1345
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,960
so the these aliens talking to people on

1346
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:11,040
crystal radio and if people would do

1347
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:12,559
their research they find out about it

1348
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:14,240
but anyway so what happens with robert

1349
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:15,119
short

1350
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:17,200
i took him down to

1351
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:19,760
with a group of people and i filmed it

1352
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:23,680
with and to do a channeling in 2014

1353
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:26,000
and his channeling is outrageous it's

1354
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:28,240
called the end of separation

1355
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:32,160
and he mentions vladimir putin in 2014.

1356
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:33,680
and i'm going

1357
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:36,079
nah he's not even in the news this is

1358
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,000
not you know this is not current you

1359
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:40,559
know it's like why why did we get

1360
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:42,400
putin's name in there

1361
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:43,200
well

1362
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:44,720
the being that was

1363
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:47,200
the voice was different it was weird

1364
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:49,760
uh was warning us about the future and

1365
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:51,359
he said the only way we could ever

1366
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:53,680
conquer this is just

1367
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:56,319
to end separation well as you know

1368
00:52:02,230 --> 00:51:59,280
politically it's all the opposite today

1369
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:02,240
it's all the opposite

1370
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,400
so the divide and conquer

1371
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:06,720
uh mode is here

1372
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:09,280
if we're going to do that

1373
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:10,800
it'll conquer

1374
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,599
if we can come together

1375
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:15,359
and they've told us that and we're

1376
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:18,559
hard-headed 2014 that was the message i

1377
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:20,559
recorded it it's on video and i'm going

1378
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:21,760
to do more

1379
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:23,440
more work on that

1380
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:24,720
we're going to come

1381
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:27,040
if if we can surpass that and come

1382
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,160
together without an atomic explosion or

1383
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,800
you know the glaciers melting and all

1384
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:34,960
this tragedy stuff

1385
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:36,240
then maybe

1386
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:39,040
we could grow up and become enlightened

1387
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:41,359
and graduate from school you know i'm a

1388
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:42,559
teacher so i'm going to use that

1389
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:45,520
metaphor i would like to see us graduate

1390
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:48,240
yeah i want to go for graduation

1391
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:50,000
it must be cool for your students to

1392
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:51,839
know that uh you you have been in the

1393
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:54,960
ufo field for a long time i would be uh

1394
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:56,720
i'd be tripping if i was your your

1395
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:00,319
student i'd be thinking this is cool uh

1396
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:02,480
so the message from the andes is taking

1397
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:05,119
place again november 14th uh november

1398
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:08,160
11th to the 14th yeah 11 11 to 14. it's

1399
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:10,559
the last laughlin conference we're gonna

1400
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:12,160
hardy

1401
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:13,440
nice and where can people get the

1402
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,480
tickets for this okay my company that i

1403
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:18,480
formed to do laughlin is called star

1404
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:20,400
works usa so

1405
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:28,230
and we will have a pan flute from the

1406
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,520
andes we have llamas no little blow up

1407
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,079
aliens but llamas we have

1408
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:36,480
ricardo gonzalez who is one of the

1409
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:39,839
contactees of that group uh in the 70s

1410
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:41,839
who has had face-to-face contact with

1411
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:44,319
his messages and he lives in argentina

1412
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:47,680
and is from peru so people can get the

1413
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:50,240
newest information from that conference

1414
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:52,880
and and and then i also have andrew

1415
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:54,160
perrone i'm going to have stephen

1416
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:57,599
bassett talk about the ufos the uaps i'm

1417
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:00,880
gonna have uh regina meredith i'm i i

1418
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:02,800
have sean mcnamara is going to talk

1419
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:05,520
about removable viewing and i have sarah

1420
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:08,160
bressman comey who's going to be our our

1421
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:10,559
experiencer person and talk about

1422
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:13,359
atlantis so i have like it's like a mini

1423
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:15,839
university but it's so much fun

1424
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:17,920
and color is purple so everybody has to

1425
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:19,359
dress in purple

1426
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,680
you know

1427
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:23,359
louis and i are thinking about getting

1428
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:25,440
more active and attending some of these

1429
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:27,839
uh events that's taken place so next

1430
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:30,160
year uh hopefully we get to attend a

1431
00:54:35,470 --> 00:54:32,559
little bit more of this uh as far as

1432
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:35,480
your work and and um is the

1433
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:37,920
starworksusa.com is that the um where do

1434
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:39,440
you can find all the information

1435
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:41,040
absolutely and

1436
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:44,000
when i finish when i finish laughlin i'm

1437
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:46,480
going to start up small conferences

1438
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,119
in crestone colorado uh

1439
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:51,280
you know because that's where

1440
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:54,720
i filmed the movie serious with uh with

1441
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,040
stephen gr or he filmed the movie series

1442
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:59,680
and i was in it and that's where we saw

1443
00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:01,920
all kinds of sightings you know in the

1444
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:04,240
san luis valley and i bought five acres

1445
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:06,319
of land there so i thought okay well you

1446
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:08,160
know i just want to be here and

1447
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:09,599
start gauge you can see the whole milky

1448
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,839
way from that spot oh that's fantastic

1449
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,440
that's one of my dream is to see the

1450
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:14,880
actual milky way

1451
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:17,040
from beginning to end i mean that is the

1452
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:18,880
darkest place on earth in san luis

1453
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:21,440
valley so plan it with your family nice

1454
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:23,440
it is it is an experiment where all the

1455
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:25,920
religions live together it was done by

1456
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,920
hannah and maury strong who were

1457
00:55:32,829 --> 00:55:29,280
canadians

1458
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:32,839
and you ought to think about crestone

1459
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:35,760
nice paula harris i thank you so much

1460
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:37,680
for coming back on the podcast let's not

1461
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:39,440
make this the the last time let's have

1462
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:41,680
you back on again i always appreciate

1463
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:44,160
talking with you uh you're uh a well of

1464
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:45,599
knowledge and

1465
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:48,160
just i'm in awe of your work and the

1466
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:49,839
fact that like i mentioned to you before

1467
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:51,760
i think you're a pioneer in this field

1468
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:54,079
you know everybody and the fact that uh

1469
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:56,000
you're kind of like the indiana jones of

1470
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:56,960
uh

1471
00:56:02,150 --> 00:55:59,359
uap studies so i appreciate your time

1472
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:02,160
for sure okay thank you jason you take